Hey everyone, I’m new to Lemmy and just starting to figure this site out. I mainly moved here because of the censorship on Reddit where they didn’t publish posts that included the slightest word not allowed by their filter and they removed/blocked lots of content. I wonder if it will be somewhat better here (on the official site it says “Censorship resistant - By hosting your own server, you can be in full control of your content.”).
The weird thing I saw with Lemmy was when I wanted to sign-up on the “lemmy.ml” server instance that according to the official Lemmy Servers listing page is a “A community of privacy and FOSS enthusiasts, run by Lemmy’s developers”.
So I thought I try that one when it’s from Lemmy’s own developers. When I wanted to sign-up it required an application that you needed to fill out with one of the requirements being having to copy a sentence from the link provided which links to some article called “The Principles of Communism” which I thought was very odd for a site to do. I’ve never seen a site like this promoting some ideology that directly where it’s part of the sign-up process to almost pledge to some political or religious ideology.
This seemed very sketchy to me. Does anyone know something about this?
There is no coming together with the settler when it is the settler in the way of my people’s liberation; and it’s frankly contemptuous that you think there somehow is. The state of race relations in this country is so positively abysmal that I would sooner put my faith in the Chinese than ever consider white Americans worth the time or effort expended. There is no ‘coming together’ with you and yours as long as we are unreparated and unliberated. You may as well just come out with it and say you feel you’re entitled to my camaraderie rather than trying to orate yourself around that particular elephant in the room; there’d be more dignity in it.
No, I’d rather say you have an extreme case of “race/gender over everything” mentality that permeates so many pretentiously left liberals among others.
I’m not a “settler”, I live where I was born, and I never (at least knowingly) discriminated against anyone on the basis of race. You seem to suggest that I owe you something for other people, for the severe oppression of the black people back in the days neither of us was even born, and for the milder (although very real) forms of it permeating today to which I hold no relation. I don’t have to reparate you anything, and I refuse to give you some special status you seem to feel entitled to; but if someone actively discriminates black people (or hispanic, or even whites for that matter - that is a thing in certain societies, world doesn’t end outside America), I am willing to take the side of the oppressed, and more people could join black liberation movement if you yourself wouldn’t piss everyone off.
If you, however, still want to be treated in some special way, I don’t need such camaraderie. You are either a comrade, an equal fighting alongside me (and me alongside you), or you’re not. And the most I can hope for is your realization that we have issues we both struggle with, and end this splintering of the left that makes us weak and useless, infighting over fighting our common enemy. At least the right are ready to unite, so…here we are. Enjoy the fruits of your personal liberation.
Damn, you’re not just a cracker but a dumbass too
Oh yeah, typical Internet “left”. Could you elaborate instead of swearing all over?
eat your hands you worthless fucking asshole
Quite a civil and reasonable response.
Any elaboration on what I got wrong?
You really hit the settler-leftist bingo with this one, no free space necessary. Every last thing you’ve said reeks of uninvestigated white supremacy; and I’d suggest self-crit if I believed for a half a second in your bonafides.
That said, thank you for justifying why I put more faith in AES than white leftism, justifying why I consider there to be no revolutionary potential in the western settler, and justifying why I will only ever organize with Black formations. You, and everyone like you can’t even bear to cop to the thread of history which your story is sewn in, let alone figure out how to rectify that state. This is exactly why I have no time, faith, or camaraderie for the white ‘left’.
As usual, we’ll have to get it our own damn selves, with you people constantly in our way. What I get for discoursing with people John Brown would’ve turned into a speed loader. And no, that you consider true, fully-reparated Black liberation to be 'Black supremacy exactly the same as the white variety", I fucking spit on you; and have no further interest humoring your eurofascist ass. I hope when they find you, it’s in shrapnel-studded pieces.
https://readsettlers.org
If you suggest we have to somehow “rectify” the mistakes of our ancestors (ours even?) beyond promoting equality of all people, I regret to inform you that “historic justice” is a component of fascist rhetoric.
The only good response to inequality in the past is struggling for equality in the present. Otherwise you promote the same discrimination, just the kind that benefits you, based in part on history you personally never got to experience. And if that’s the case, I’m double disgusted.
We should put much more resources to improving conditions in predominantly black neighborhoods - precisely because they are far worse than white ones on average. We should heavily invest in providing decent quality of life in Africa, where most black people live, despite everyone only seemingly caring about blacks in the Western world. We should drop the perception of black people as dangerous gangstas holding pistols in the pockets - all while promoting conditions that would foster better living standards and security. We should ensure everyone is truly equal in the face of law. We should ensure people of any origin have equal access to job opportunities, education, healthcare, proper accommodation. I stand for that. But the moment you suggest we should somehow “rectify” mistakes done by other people in other times, what do you even mean? Should we build a black supremacist world to “compensate” for the injustice of the past? If yes, you’re a black supremacist scumbag that is not an iota better than white ones. If no, I welcome you to explain what you mean.
Oh and - in case this will add some context to what I say - I am not American. I live on the land that was originally an empty swamp. Through series of wars, it was occupied by the Vikings, Finns, Swedes, and Russians, with local population counting in, like, hundreds, all white and European, of various ethnicities. So, it was never a colony to begin with, more of a barren cold land with some outcasts that only possessed strategic value due to access to the sea that wasn’t completely frozen during the winter. This led to the formation of first Swedish and Russian fortresses that eventually, just 300 or do years ago, have been widely populated and turned into cities.