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  • I don’t think you should be quiet, it makes them feel like everyone is agreeing with them and makes everyone miserable. Time to introduce you to my favorite game to play with conservatives, Politics Judo!

    So you hear them rant about a thing. Some dumbass talking point. Let’s use gun control. It’s pretty easy to know in advance what the talking points are since they never shut up and parrot the same problem and solution over and over. “Shouldn’t take guns, it’s a mental problem not a gun problem”.

    Things are basically boiled down to a problem and a solution. A lot of people try to convince people that the problem isn’t what people think it is, and that’s hard to do. Even if they are just misinformed, it feels like trying to dismiss their fears.

    So what you do is you agree with the problem, then use lefty talking points as the solution.

    “Oh yeah, gun violence is pretty bad! And I love the Constitution, we shouldn’t mess with that!” (Use small words and also throw in some patriotism, makes them feel like you’re on their side. You want to sound like a right wing media con artist) “so instead of taking guns away, we should instead start having more, free, mental health care in this country. Since it’s a mental health problem and these people are crazy, that is the solution that makes the most sense!” (Don’t try to get them to agree to your solution, just state it as the obvious one)

    It becomes weaponized cognitive dissonance. Their brains fry because you said the things you should to agree with them, flagged yourself as an ally, but then said the thing they were told is the bad and shouldn’t want.

    If they try to argue with your solution, rinse and repeat to a different talking point. “Oh yeah it might cost more, and we shouldn’t have to pay more for it, so we should get the rich people who are screwing average hard working Americans over by not paying taxes to do that. We should shut down tax loopholes and increase funding to the IRS so they can go after them instead of the little guy”

    Always sound like you’re agreeing with them, but giving solutions that they disagree with that seem to be off topic but are related.

    Either they will get flustered and stop, or they will slip up and say something racist or sexist or something, and then you can have HR bust them. Document it and also see if you’re in a single party consent state.








  • I think you really don’t know what a false equivalence is.

    So yeah, could tell you about how the exit polls said most people voted based on the economy and it wasn’t because Democrats hint at helping trans people or how the right demonizes them.

    Or that your strategy of trying to become diet conservative doesn’t work, especially since the Democrats have and are basically doing that.

    Or that the same goal could be achieved by getting more election and voting change, like ending gerrymandering and putting in ranked choice voting.

    Or maybe I’d meet you halfway and say if the Democrats decided to rebrand stuff as “helping all Americans” rather than outright saying that it’s for trans people, they might get some of working class rural Americans on their side. Maybe.

    But since you don’t figure out what a false equivalence is, I’m not sure you’d really get it, ya know?

    And since you’re willing to throw my friends’ lives away rather than look at other options, I’m not really keen on talking to you much.


  • It’s false equivalence because, again, these are two separate scenarios.

    The first is your hypothetical assumption based off of a completely different culture and time period, and the second is, you know, the here and now in the present day. Factual reality.

    Arrogantly going “well I think this would’ve gone badly if they did something completely different totally equates to what’s happening now” is a pretty ballsy form of false equivalence. You can’t even come up with a real scenario to compare the present situation with.


  • Actually people had much less of a beef with homosexuality before the 50’s and the pink scare. Lord Byron was like, an open bisexual. Victorians has nipple rings as a fad.

    Also abolitionists and suffragettes and the like weren’t exactly wildly popular.

    Your hypothetical scenario is not only uninformed, but also a false equivalence. We don’t live in those time periods, we can focus on more than one thing at a time, and you’re also fixing blame on the movement to make things better rather than on the people who are actively making things worse. You should be blaming the rich for making global warming worse, not the people who are fighting against it and losing because they are daring to say trans people shouldn’t be a problem.



  • So those people being cold and not talking to you?

    That’s how you came off to the people at your last job. Probably why they complained.

    Then instead of focusing on the people who responded to you positively, you’re using the people who acted like you as an excuse to go back to your previous behavior.

    I think that your attitude to the situation might be stemming from some misanthropy from some past trauma or something, idk. This is something you might want to talk to a therapist about or at least think over and objectively assess yourself.

    What type of socialization do you want? Do you actually want to talk to people and have positive experiences at the risk of negative ones, or would you want to be left alone and not take that risk, but instead take on the risk of people disliking you?

    Personally, I’d suggest just talk to the people who are nice to you and get to know them and leave be the ones who want to be left alone.