Finland's Verge Motorcycles, maker of an advanced electric motorcycle, has spun off a company called Donut Lab, which is making hub motors for electric vehicles.
The Finland-based company’s in-wheel motor serves up 650 kilowatts of power
Can anyone explain the benefit? I would’ve thought putting the motor in the wheel would subject it to way more wear and tear from being only a tire wall’s support away from every pothole and bump in the road. Mounting a motor on the vehicle frame and using a driveshaft offers much more protection.
Yes, it’s a stupid idea, and there’s a reason why almost nobody does this. Mostly because of the handling, the more unsprung mass you have, the harder it is to keep the wheels on the ground.
The benefit is driveline efficiency- by eliminating all gears/CV joints/axles and only having one or two bearing races rotating, you reduce driveline friction losses and “wasted” rotational inertia to effectively null. With electric vehicles every single watt per mile matters, even shaving 0.1% off helps bunches. It also reduces part count, and thus cost too.
Per wheel motor drives also allows significantly more advanced torque vector traction control.
The downside is just what you say, mechanical isolation- the motor is now in a dirtier, harsher environment, the power cables must now flex continuously with the suspension and will be a very high risk failure point, and the outboard wheel now has a significantly higher unsprung mass meaning the suspension will need to be beefier and be less effective at dampening road vibrations to the rest of the vehicle.
Eliminating the entire drivetrain is the benefit. That’s a ton of complicated heavy wear parts you immediately don’t have to worry about. Even if you take more wear on the motor, fixing that would be as simple as just swapping out a wheel.
On the other hand every time you need to replace a wheel (one of the most easily damaged parts of your car) you’re probably shelling out a quarter of a car in cost.
On the other, other hand, the cost of manufacturing the car just went down by ~60% (cost of parts) assuming they can make these somewhat conparable to the price of a tire. If they can match the price of a tire it went down by a shitload more
I don’t think there’s any practical way for that to happen and I expect you’d want to put tires over top of these anyway. Which will themselves be very expensive because they won’t be able to mount regular tires on them.
Can anyone explain the benefit? I would’ve thought putting the motor in the wheel would subject it to way more wear and tear from being only a tire wall’s support away from every pothole and bump in the road. Mounting a motor on the vehicle frame and using a driveshaft offers much more protection.
Yes, it’s a stupid idea, and there’s a reason why almost nobody does this. Mostly because of the handling, the more unsprung mass you have, the harder it is to keep the wheels on the ground.
The benefit is driveline efficiency- by eliminating all gears/CV joints/axles and only having one or two bearing races rotating, you reduce driveline friction losses and “wasted” rotational inertia to effectively null. With electric vehicles every single watt per mile matters, even shaving 0.1% off helps bunches. It also reduces part count, and thus cost too.
Per wheel motor drives also allows significantly more advanced torque vector traction control.
The downside is just what you say, mechanical isolation- the motor is now in a dirtier, harsher environment, the power cables must now flex continuously with the suspension and will be a very high risk failure point, and the outboard wheel now has a significantly higher unsprung mass meaning the suspension will need to be beefier and be less effective at dampening road vibrations to the rest of the vehicle.
it also looks amazing and is space saving. it opens up many design possibilities
Eliminating the entire drivetrain is the benefit. That’s a ton of complicated heavy wear parts you immediately don’t have to worry about. Even if you take more wear on the motor, fixing that would be as simple as just swapping out a wheel.
I mean you effectively just eliminated 75-90% of the car
On the other hand every time you need to replace a wheel (one of the most easily damaged parts of your car) you’re probably shelling out a quarter of a car in cost.
On the other, other hand, the cost of manufacturing the car just went down by ~60% (cost of parts) assuming they can make these somewhat conparable to the price of a tire. If they can match the price of a tire it went down by a shitload more
I don’t think there’s any practical way for that to happen and I expect you’d want to put tires over top of these anyway. Which will themselves be very expensive because they won’t be able to mount regular tires on them.