I also wanted to throw Truman in the ring for signing off nuclear strikes on mainly civilian targets (i.e. cities) and for the American war crimes in Korea (but I mainly blame MacArthur for that) but he also fired MacArthur and roasted him and the other generals whilst doing so. So maybe somewhere in the top 15 to 25. If MacArthur’s run for president had succeeded tho we’d have another strong candidate.

I found trolls on both instances and rational people on both instances but yeah, the debating culture & communities is/are more on 'grad and ml whilst hexbear is for the more casual topics and my opinion on which instance as a whole is more rational is like a sine curve.

Thanks for the explanation, my knowledge about American political history is fairly limited so I really appreciate that. \(^-^)/

Most people who argued for Trump said it’s because of Jan 6th and his other felonies and that he was allowed to run again and became reelected (even tho a partition of the us citizens are to blame for the latter). I also think people already value him lower because of Project 2025 and out of fear what will happen during his 2nd term.

I’d be lying if I wasn’t aware I was poking the beehive so no need for you to be sorry (or at least I should say that I am sorry too). Plus I could have made it sound less like I was turning the US into some sort of punching bag for bad emotions but to be honest I have to admit I wasn’t all too sober when I posted and whilst my main intention was curiosity I failed to phrase my question that way and I failed to filter my personal emotions so the question was negative. I’m yet another example why one shouldn’t be allowed to use social media drunk and I am sorry for that. :')

I agree with your picks for good presidents and your reasoning. Thank you for the added details :)

I prefer talking about the best, talking about the worst just makes me depressed.

Oh I totally get where you’re coming from. I usually use my lemm.ee account for when I’m stable enough for discussion (because lemm.ee is still federated with both hexbear and 'grad and .world and the more pro western servers which helps me train my critical thinking and arguing) but sometimes I just don’t want any more negativity or politicised battlegrounds and then I just use my .world account to spread the good vibes and enjoy the memes.

Regarding JFK I heard he was a bit of a “you either die a hero or live long enough to become the villain” kinda case but I also heard that he would have been a good president so I’m kinda split. It’s similar with William Henry Harrison, who was president for 31 days before he died. As a slave holder he would have probably been a horrible president but he never really made any calls so he’s not among the worst candidates.

Would that have changed much (Except for his name & face being literally everywhere in the US) or would they just have taken another founding father as their idol?

lmao BASED

I have yet to see a picture of him where he doesn’t look like he has no clue of what is going on around him.

I agree there have been (way) worse presidents than pre 2nd term Trump but he has a lot of potential.

Atm I rank Bush higher but Trump still has another term to catch up.

Touché. His first term wasn’t that horrible (although it wasn’t good either). I’m still mad they organised a meeting with Kim just to tell him to go fuck himself. That character development could become spicy. On the other hand would we even have had a meeting with Clinton in power?

But hey, he still has four years and a lot of plans to claim a podium place.

Everyone loves strawberries

(But ngl I just really wanted to know what people would say. I find some answers very reasonable, others quite debatable. But I’d also be interested in what Lemmy thinks is the best president the US has ever had)